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nsa'srstand the collection of metadata -- the kind of metadata that we have discussed today -- is accomplished under 215 of the patriot act. section 215 faces an important limitation on the collection in that it limits the government's ability to collect the metadata. it has to be relevant to an authorized investigation. at some point, relevance is a concept that is difficult to define in the abstract. it is a fluid concept. it is something that a jurist might say, i know when i see it. they struggle to define it. even though it may be difficult to define, in the abstract, what relevance is, haven't we left the station of relevance ofore we get to the point collecting metadata for 300-- americans? and there cellphone usage? how can you get your mind around that concept of all that information being relevant to an ongoing investigation? >> senator, it had been noted how broad the concept of relevance is in civil discovery and many different legal contexts. leadn be things that can you to things that you need. >> right. i understand a broad conception of relevance that was explained at the brook
nsa'srstand the collection of metadata -- the kind of metadata that we have discussed today -- is accomplished under 215 of the patriot act. section 215 faces an important limitation on the collection in that it limits the government's ability to collect the metadata. it has to be relevant to an authorized investigation. at some point, relevance is a concept that is difficult to define in the abstract. it is a fluid concept. it is something that a jurist might say, i know when i see it. they...
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it had me think that the training and relevance -- metadata. metadata is not content. metadata can give a lot of content. it sells how often i call my mother. call mylls how often i mother. who i call on the government whose private cell phones i happen to have who i do not call at the office because we cannot , buta log of my phone call i have a private cell phone. we want keep that somewhat between us. compiled in complete information can give you a very full picture of what my day is like. sectionso talk about 702. phone calls from overseas and foreigners that do not have the .ame kind of standard i have called them. i have direct phone numbers. mr. a lock keys of father who was killed by the american government by drones, including his 16-year-old son. i have to do have the phone number of his father in yemen. numbers for how his wife and brother-in-law in iraq -- we represented him in the 9/11 commission. we have contact with his wife and his brother-in-law and the man who was held and tortured. these are all individuals who i have their phone numbers. they're all
it had me think that the training and relevance -- metadata. metadata is not content. metadata can give a lot of content. it sells how often i call my mother. call mylls how often i mother. who i call on the government whose private cell phones i happen to have who i do not call at the office because we cannot , buta log of my phone call i have a private cell phone. we want keep that somewhat between us. compiled in complete information can give you a very full picture of what my day is like....
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intercepted the phone metadata from a journalist working for mcclatchy mcclatchy is the third largest newspaper chain in the united states now the mcclatchy journalist is john stephenson who reports from afghanistan the sunday star times that the intelligence agencies targeted stephenson first reporting on how the afghan detainees were handled and sought his source for the confidential information the military allegedly used the metadata from stevenson's phone to determine who had called and then who those people called afterwards is created a phone tree of the journalist associates her to walk us through this issue and its effects on the press freedom is craig aaron the president and c.e.o. of free press thank you for being here today thanks for having me now first question now mcclatchy he's written a strongly worded letter to james clapper the director of the national intelligence regarding this incident and it says here we have a record here absent absent a well founded good faith belief that a journalist is engaged in terrorist activity compiling and analyzing a journalist metada
intercepted the phone metadata from a journalist working for mcclatchy mcclatchy is the third largest newspaper chain in the united states now the mcclatchy journalist is john stephenson who reports from afghanistan the sunday star times that the intelligence agencies targeted stephenson first reporting on how the afghan detainees were handled and sought his source for the confidential information the military allegedly used the metadata from stevenson's phone to determine who had called and...
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they can collect your content, just as they can collect your metadata. metadata can tell you a whole host of a person's life with the computer power we have today. >> we have less than a minute left. i'll ask you to do this quickly, both of you. general, rightly or wrongly, seems there's a move under foot represented by congressman amash to put new restrictions on the nsa. it seems clear that will happen. a couple ideas that have been suggested -- creation of a special council to challenge the government's surveillance request in the secret fisa court, reducing how long phone records can be retained from five years to two. releasing information each year on how many warrants the government seeks. briefly, general, could you live with any and/or all of those? >> several there that i think the intelligence community is looking at right now, chris. to make americans more comfortable about the program. i've got to add, chris, it doesn't make americans more comfortable about the program to misrepresent it. this does not authorize the collection of content, pe
they can collect your content, just as they can collect your metadata. metadata can tell you a whole host of a person's life with the computer power we have today. >> we have less than a minute left. i'll ask you to do this quickly, both of you. general, rightly or wrongly, seems there's a move under foot represented by congressman amash to put new restrictions on the nsa. it seems clear that will happen. a couple ideas that have been suggested -- creation of a special council to...
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intercepted the phone metadata from a journalist working for mcclatchy that is the third largest newspaper chain in the united states now the mcclatchy journalist is john stephenson who reported from afghanistan the sunday star times said the intelligence agencies targeted stephenson for his reporting on how the afghan detainees were handled and sought his source for the confidential information now the military allegedly used the metadata from stevenson's phone to determine who he had called and then who those people have called afterwards creating a phone tree of the journalist associates now to walk us through this issue and its effects on press freedom i was on earlier by craig aaron the president and c.e.o. of free press start off by asking him how much power news organizations have to protect their journalists from spying. certainly you have to put things on the record and one thing in being the associated press or mcclatchy is you do have a megaphone and so the letter is a way to get that story out there and allow your own reporters to cover what's happening to your company that sai
intercepted the phone metadata from a journalist working for mcclatchy that is the third largest newspaper chain in the united states now the mcclatchy journalist is john stephenson who reported from afghanistan the sunday star times said the intelligence agencies targeted stephenson for his reporting on how the afghan detainees were handled and sought his source for the confidential information now the military allegedly used the metadata from stevenson's phone to determine who he had called...
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it had me think that the training and relevance -- metadata. they say, metadata is not content. metadata can give a lot of content. it tells how often i call my mother. who i call on the government. whose private cell phones i happen to have. who i do not call at the office because we cannot want a log of my phone call, but i have a private cell phone. we want keep that somewhat between us. when compiled in complete information can give you a very full picture of what my day is the fourthk amendment does cover the protection of my metadata. let's also talk about section 702. phone calls from overseas and foreigners that do not have the same kind of standard under 215. i have called them. i have direct phone numbers. david hicks. the man who was killed by the american government by drones, including his 16-year-old son. i have the phone number of his father in yemen. i have the phone numbers for how his wife and brother-in-law in iraq -- we represented him in the 9/11 commission. we have contact with his wife and his brother-in-law and the man who was held and tortured. these are
it had me think that the training and relevance -- metadata. they say, metadata is not content. metadata can give a lot of content. it tells how often i call my mother. who i call on the government. whose private cell phones i happen to have. who i do not call at the office because we cannot want a log of my phone call, but i have a private cell phone. we want keep that somewhat between us. when compiled in complete information can give you a very full picture of what my day is the fourthk...
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. >> walk us through the metadata. what exactly is that? why is it important in this data collection program? >> when you are investigating terrorism, what you are looking for is not just individual people, but networks. if you found one person, you're interested and who else is working with them? you want to look at who they communicate with. this information of who talks to who can reveal more about you and what you are actually saying. example, if you call your spouse every night, that leaves a record in the metadata -- you can see who someone is close to and what their relationship is, people who they are talking to that you would not expect them to talk to, or unusual patterns of calling. it is the connections between people that the nsa is interested in. it can be more revealing than what you are saying. >> is there any way to judge how much more the government would know through these phone records and metadata? consumers leave trails in our business online and habits online. >> honestly i think in private hands such as google and am
. >> walk us through the metadata. what exactly is that? why is it important in this data collection program? >> when you are investigating terrorism, what you are looking for is not just individual people, but networks. if you found one person, you're interested and who else is working with them? you want to look at who they communicate with. this information of who talks to who can reveal more about you and what you are actually saying. example, if you call your spouse every...
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judge bates says that the standards by which they will use the metadata has been flawed. the plan on how it was going to be using this and search it, basically smashing this program, two. >> there are probably more whether the administration likes it or not. private first class manning reported to prison to begin serving a 35 year sentence. his lawyer says the battle is not over yet. he is in the process of requesting a presidential pardon or at the very least reducing his sentence to time served. they gathered to protest the army judge's sentencing decision. >> and now he is going to be sitting in prison. raise your hand if you you will be part of the support campaign for bradley manning. raise your hand if you will be raising hell for bradley manning. >> liz has been traveling to fort meade each day to watch his court-martial play out. she was there and prosecutors showed the collateral murder video and when he apologized. here is what it was like to cover this trial. >> the last glimpse of manning the public might see for a long time. it was moments before the military
judge bates says that the standards by which they will use the metadata has been flawed. the plan on how it was going to be using this and search it, basically smashing this program, two. >> there are probably more whether the administration likes it or not. private first class manning reported to prison to begin serving a 35 year sentence. his lawyer says the battle is not over yet. he is in the process of requesting a presidential pardon or at the very least reducing his sentence to...
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spying that the edward snowden revelations kind of talked about that phone metadata that it did this a new classification released really tell us any more about that right so there's internet collecting the stuff through things like prism that section seventy two of pfizer now this metadata phone collection which was the first leak by snowden to that section to have to the patriot act and judge bates goes against that and he basically says that the standards by which they going to use the metadata has been flawed this program. that pfizer was misled on how the n.s.a. was going to be using all this metadata how they're going to search it and basically smash this with this metadata program to very interesting and i'm sure there's more revelations to come whether the obama administration likes that or not political commentator sam sachs thank you so much for coming and. private first class manning now knows how the foreseeable future will play out but manning's lawyer david coombs says that the battle is not over yet coombs is now in the process of requesting a presidential pardon or at
spying that the edward snowden revelations kind of talked about that phone metadata that it did this a new classification released really tell us any more about that right so there's internet collecting the stuff through things like prism that section seventy two of pfizer now this metadata phone collection which was the first leak by snowden to that section to have to the patriot act and judge bates goes against that and he basically says that the standards by which they going to use the...
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but metadata is more powerful than most realize. it can reveal a person's religious and political views, economic standing, sexual preference, personality, mental health, ethnicity. use of addictive substances and more. the ability to characterize groups by these traits might tempt some in government from finding terrorists to targeting groups because of their political leanings. so say three metadata specialists. they're proposed solution? give the citizenry the power to set controls on corporations and companies who collect their data, whether and with whom it can be shared, and whether or not it should be destroyed permanently. people won't have access to their digital data trails in a way similar to an e-mail in- box, so that people can monitor who views their data and who uses it. question. which entity has more personal information about you, the nsa, the national security agency, or google? >> well, the nsa has almost everything that google has and that's part of the problem here, that they're harvesting this data on everyone
but metadata is more powerful than most realize. it can reveal a person's religious and political views, economic standing, sexual preference, personality, mental health, ethnicity. use of addictive substances and more. the ability to characterize groups by these traits might tempt some in government from finding terrorists to targeting groups because of their political leanings. so say three metadata specialists. they're proposed solution? give the citizenry the power to set controls on...
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that's not for metadata. metadata if you were putting it into the system that we built, you could do it in a 12 by 20 foot room for the world, that's all the space you need. you don't need 100,000 square feet of space, like they have at bluffdale, to do that. you need that kind of storage for content. >> woodruff: so tell us, how extensive is the n.s.a.s >> this, the program only involves telephony metadata, not emails, not geographic location. having a physical analyst look or listen, which would be disingenuous. >> woodruff: but the government vehemently denies it is recording all telephone calls. robert litt is the general council in the office of the director of national intelligence. he recently spoke at the brookings institution. >> we do not indiscriminately sweep up and store the contents of the communications of americans, or of the citizenry of any country. we do not use our intelligence we collect metadata-- information about communications-- more broadly than we collect the actual content of commu
that's not for metadata. metadata if you were putting it into the system that we built, you could do it in a 12 by 20 foot room for the world, that's all the space you need. you don't need 100,000 square feet of space, like they have at bluffdale, to do that. you need that kind of storage for content. >> woodruff: so tell us, how extensive is the n.s.a.s >> this, the program only involves telephony metadata, not emails, not geographic location. having a physical analyst look or...
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-- we'll get into metadata. how is that, how is that limited to relevance when you say we've got all the phone numbers that are made to and from american citizens? i don't think of the word relevant that way. my training at stanford law school that had we think that it was a bit more circumspect. metadata. they say that's not content. well, you know what? metadata can give a lot of content. how long i stay on a phone call, how often i call my mother as he struggles with breast cancer, how often i struggle with my office. who i call in the government whose private cell phones i happen to have who i don't call at the office because we don't want a log from me to blank official at the justice d., but i have a private cell phone because we want to keep that somewhat between us. that metadata when compiled in complete information can give you a very full picture of what my day is like. so i think that the fourth amendment does cover the protection of my metadata that. now, let's also talk about section 702, right? ph
-- we'll get into metadata. how is that, how is that limited to relevance when you say we've got all the phone numbers that are made to and from american citizens? i don't think of the word relevant that way. my training at stanford law school that had we think that it was a bit more circumspect. metadata. they say that's not content. well, you know what? metadata can give a lot of content. how long i stay on a phone call, how often i call my mother as he struggles with breast cancer, how often...
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look, this is metadata. business records. the court held it had no expectation of privacy. therefore, what the agencies have done is go down this this path, frankly informing members of congress. i read the letters released this week in 2009 and 2011 that specifically invited members of congress to read and the phrase in h the letter was bulk metadata collection. >> let me bring in the congressman. you heard the general say american privacy isn't being violated and your amendment would make it harder for them to get the information they need about terrorists. >> we don't have any evidence that would make it that much more difficult. we are not going to have a perfect system unless you have people under constant lock down being monitored. there is a police state and you run the risk of a more dangerous society. you have senator widen, udal and lahey who say they don't think the program is effective. as to whether american privacy is being violated, ask my constituents. if i go to a town hall or meeting they will tell you privacy is being violated. the court case that the jus
look, this is metadata. business records. the court held it had no expectation of privacy. therefore, what the agencies have done is go down this this path, frankly informing members of congress. i read the letters released this week in 2009 and 2011 that specifically invited members of congress to read and the phrase in h the letter was bulk metadata collection. >> let me bring in the congressman. you heard the general say american privacy isn't being violated and your amendment would...
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and tore calling for the this metadata -- end to this metadata of phone numbers of everyone in the united states of forica without any regard criminal investigation going on or anything else. is toint we are aiming at have relevance, which is written into the section 215 of the patriot act, be observed and adhered to -- which it wasn't read what they're doing is creating a haystack in which to put a needle. >> commerce member thomas massie , republicans and democrats are not usually known for working together. talk about your concerns around nsa spying. >> my concerns to the oversight of the programs. and a reporting to people. in march, we had the director of national intelligence come to congress, to the senate, to tell us this program did not exist. yet last week, we had the head of the nsa here lobbying to fund the program. what we need is more oversight. maintain theoth program doesn't exist or tell us lies in congress, then ask us for funding. specifically what we need is more visibility into the fisa court rulings. we understand the need for secrecy in ongoing investigations, but w
and tore calling for the this metadata -- end to this metadata of phone numbers of everyone in the united states of forica without any regard criminal investigation going on or anything else. is toint we are aiming at have relevance, which is written into the section 215 of the patriot act, be observed and adhered to -- which it wasn't read what they're doing is creating a haystack in which to put a needle. >> commerce member thomas massie , republicans and democrats are not usually known...
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it had me think that the training and relevance -- metadata. metadata is not content. metadata can give a lot of content. tells how often i call my mother. who i call on the government hose private cell phones i happen to have who i do not call at the office because we cannot want a log of my phone call, but i have a private cell phone. we want keep that somewhat between us. when compiled in complete information can give you a very full picture of what my day is like. let's also talk about section 702. hone calls from overseas and oreigners that do not have the same kind of standard. i have called them. i have direct phone numbers. mr. a lock keys of father who was killed by the american government by drones, including his 16-year-old son. i might have phone numbers for david hicks in the guantanamo. anwar al backee, his 16-year-old son, also an american citizen killed by drones. let's get jay into this game. i happen to have the phone number of mr. his father in yemen. i have the phone numbers for the wife and brother-in-law in iran. we represented mr. mohammed in the
it had me think that the training and relevance -- metadata. metadata is not content. metadata can give a lot of content. tells how often i call my mother. who i call on the government hose private cell phones i happen to have who i do not call at the office because we cannot want a log of my phone call, but i have a private cell phone. we want keep that somewhat between us. when compiled in complete information can give you a very full picture of what my day is like. let's also talk about...
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when it comes to collecting metadata, calling logs-- who called whom-- inside the united states, yes, by definition that doesn't include content, what was said. of course they do wiretap all the time, just not through that's program and there are extra rules in court approval for wiretapping inside the united states. there are essentially no rules for surveillance abroad. the u.s. constitution does not cover noncitizens not on u.s. soil. the domestic wiretapping laws are written to exclude that kind of foreign intelligence collection activity. it's kind of open season. whatever a country can get away with, it does, in the espionage world dispp what we've seen in the last few weeks with all these leaks from edward snowden from the n.s.a. is the united states really can do quite a lot, more even than was long suspected about their capacity to just vamume up fronta procesd spy on what the world is doing on its telecommunications networks. >> the domestic documents declassified confirmed some of the things the edward snowden leaks told us about major phone companies like verizon turning o
when it comes to collecting metadata, calling logs-- who called whom-- inside the united states, yes, by definition that doesn't include content, what was said. of course they do wiretap all the time, just not through that's program and there are extra rules in court approval for wiretapping inside the united states. there are essentially no rules for surveillance abroad. the u.s. constitution does not cover noncitizens not on u.s. soil. the domestic wiretapping laws are written to exclude that...
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do you favor the government collecting metadata from all communications in the united states? and the answer pretty much is, no, americans are not into that. only 21% of people favor that idea. but then if you ask the same people, the exact same question again, do you favor the government collecting metadata from all the communications in the u.s. and then you add this, as part of antiterrorism efforts? oh, well, when you put it that way, yes. yeah, that doesn't sound like such a bad idea. support for the exact same activity by the u.s. government jumps by 17 points when you ask the exact same question about the exact same behavior but mention terrorism in the same sentence, you get a 17-point jump in support. that was true when they asked about metadata, also true when they asked about the government actually listening in to your phone calls and reading your e-mails. this was the question, look, do you favor the government taking not just the metadata but the actual recordings, the actual text of almost all communications in the united states? you ask americans that and they
do you favor the government collecting metadata from all communications in the united states? and the answer pretty much is, no, americans are not into that. only 21% of people favor that idea. but then if you ask the same people, the exact same question again, do you favor the government collecting metadata from all the communications in the u.s. and then you add this, as part of antiterrorism efforts? oh, well, when you put it that way, yes. yeah, that doesn't sound like such a bad idea....
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scooping up all sorts of metadata why wouldn't they be scooping this up as well of course the key words there are of course under this program and please check the classified attachment to this document and that's the that is the mechanism by which companies have been able to deny any involvement in the surveillance apparatus when the. interview was when. when journalists ask companies whether they have had any involvement in a specific program companies can deny any involvement whatsoever because they may never have been informed about the name of the specific program they've only been told to do the cell side location data of course is extremely dangerous because the location data only has a resolution of about a block and so if the n.s.a. or law enforcement are targeting groups such as you may or may not agree with whether they be green activists or other type of activists and you're in the area or when you go to the doctor's office or you know where your where the rest of your family lives these are all accessible to the n.s.a. and of course accessible to anyone who has access to th
scooping up all sorts of metadata why wouldn't they be scooping this up as well of course the key words there are of course under this program and please check the classified attachment to this document and that's the that is the mechanism by which companies have been able to deny any involvement in the surveillance apparatus when the. interview was when. when journalists ask companies whether they have had any involvement in a specific program companies can deny any involvement whatsoever...
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they don't want a little more transparency with regard to the metadata program. they want the program stopped. i don't think it will be. >> schieffer: let me ask you a little about one of the things he proposed for the fisa court. this is the court that meets in secret. and any time n.s.a. comes across something they think we need to go in and listen in. because they don't listen in, just because they get a tip or something. they have to go to this court to get permission to listen in. >> if the target is an american person. >> schieffer: if it's an american person. now one of the things the president is talking about doing is adding a kind of privacy advocate on to the court. this would be someone that when the government comes in and says, "we need to go in and wiretap this person. we need to eavesdrop," this person would say, "wait a minute here. that's going to far. you really don't have a reason to do that." is that workable? >> you know, the president was, i think, quite artful with that portion of his commentary. he didn't quite say what you said. there ar
they don't want a little more transparency with regard to the metadata program. they want the program stopped. i don't think it will be. >> schieffer: let me ask you a little about one of the things he proposed for the fisa court. this is the court that meets in secret. and any time n.s.a. comes across something they think we need to go in and listen in. because they don't listen in, just because they get a tip or something. they have to go to this court to get permission to listen in....
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i think that the fourth amendment does cover the protection of my metadata. the nsaopic is surveillance programs. jonathan from columbia university posted this article. here is a link to the article. if you are on twitter, follow #cspanchat. at the top of the home page, you will see the link right there. it will be right on that article. say it isew, they must -- much less intrusive if they can find information faster and not abuse it. >> i wrote a little thing down and it will take a couple seconds. no big deal. we are now a nation of suspects that fight every moment everyday, so much for the great revolution. can you imagine what washington, jefferson, atoms, the others would say? steve on the independent line. long day home after my of work, at once every three months, i go through one of those checks for the do sobriety checks. or you go pulled over through them? once you reach a certain point, you can't turn left or right. talk to't typically every single person there, but they pick and choose who they think might be drinking. me because ithers am workin
i think that the fourth amendment does cover the protection of my metadata. the nsaopic is surveillance programs. jonathan from columbia university posted this article. here is a link to the article. if you are on twitter, follow #cspanchat. at the top of the home page, you will see the link right there. it will be right on that article. say it isew, they must -- much less intrusive if they can find information faster and not abuse it. >> i wrote a little thing down and it will take a...
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this was the question, look, "do you favor the government taking not just the metadata but the actual recordings, the actual text of almost all communications in the united states?" you ask americans that and they say, no, we do not like the idea of the government doing that, only 16% of americans say, i think that's a good idea. but if you ask exactly the same question, exactly the same, phrased the same way but at the end mention, as part of anti-terrorism efforts, just mentioning terrorism, that makes the support jump eight points. we may not like what our government is doing, but if the government says what it's doing relates to fighting terrorism, then what the government's doing seems more appealing. so if the government's feeling heat for its massive secret surveillance power that we only find out through leaks and whistle-blowers, politically it can help to link the exercise of that government power, that raw capacity to this fight that we all want the government to win against terrorists. george w. bush encapsulated this perfectly when the whole unwarranted first wiretapping
this was the question, look, "do you favor the government taking not just the metadata but the actual recordings, the actual text of almost all communications in the united states?" you ask americans that and they say, no, we do not like the idea of the government doing that, only 16% of americans say, i think that's a good idea. but if you ask exactly the same question, exactly the same, phrased the same way but at the end mention, as part of anti-terrorism efforts, just mentioning...
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you're talking over the phone that this program is completely constitutional a sweep up millions of metadata belonging to americans who use for example arising right now let's move on to the face the courts did the president say anything about making any changes there yes he hinted that he's open to some phase of court reforms that screenplay the clip here of him him talking about the court one of the concerns that people raise is that a judge reviewing a request from the government to conduct programatic surveillance only hears one side of the story may tilt it to four in favor of security may not pay enough attention to liberty and while i've got confidence in the court and i think they've done a fine job i think we can provide greater assurances that the court is looking at these issues from both perspectives. so this is been a big concern because a lot of people are saying that the secret files the court is just a rubber stamp for the government after all the government doesn't have any opposition in the court basically the n.s.a. goes to the court the d.o.j. or goes to the court and say
you're talking over the phone that this program is completely constitutional a sweep up millions of metadata belonging to americans who use for example arising right now let's move on to the face the courts did the president say anything about making any changes there yes he hinted that he's open to some phase of court reforms that screenplay the clip here of him him talking about the court one of the concerns that people raise is that a judge reviewing a request from the government to conduct...
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we have had this going on for seven years, this internal domestic metadata telephone collection and up until 2011, the e-mail collection also. and yet we have had after 9/11 --had the underwear bomber the person flying to detroit that was going to blow up a plane christmas day -- the times square bomber, the two people in boston that just committed the on the marathon day and so forth. those people were communicating internationally, basically. they're all communicating either and thenya or pakistan underwear bomber was in yemen and communicating with other countries in the middle east and also to nigeria, for example. been takinga had all of this attention and paying attention to foreign communications and international communications and set of domestic communications, it might have discovered those. wheree a track record you're not able to discover those because you have too much electronic hay on the haystack and it is impossible to find the needle. that is what these hearings are good for. >> does the fbi, local police, do they have access to this information from the nsa as well?
we have had this going on for seven years, this internal domestic metadata telephone collection and up until 2011, the e-mail collection also. and yet we have had after 9/11 --had the underwear bomber the person flying to detroit that was going to blow up a plane christmas day -- the times square bomber, the two people in boston that just committed the on the marathon day and so forth. those people were communicating internationally, basically. they're all communicating either and thenya or...
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s collection of american citizens phone metadata in bulk. this review will specifically look at improper or illegal uses of surveillance granted under section two fifteen a different focus from the clapper establish review board the f.b.i. is the domestic partner of the n.s.a. when it comes to snooping on american citizens. elsewhere newark mayor cory booker won the democratic primary in the new jersey senate race last night with a huge margin and a victory propelled booker into the special election on october sixteenth but have reason n.s.a. surveillance concerns played any role in this election or will they play any role in any upcoming elections our chief political commentator sam sachs reports so cory booker won big last night and he's likely to be the next senator from new jersey but this election is important for another reason it was the first national attention grabbing election in which the surveillance activities of the n.s.a. were in issue they were made that way by congressman rush holt who when he learned of the n.s.a. leak said
s collection of american citizens phone metadata in bulk. this review will specifically look at improper or illegal uses of surveillance granted under section two fifteen a different focus from the clapper establish review board the f.b.i. is the domestic partner of the n.s.a. when it comes to snooping on american citizens. elsewhere newark mayor cory booker won the democratic primary in the new jersey senate race last night with a huge margin and a victory propelled booker into the special...
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metadata. metadata is not context, they say. well, you know what, metadata can give you a lot of context. how long i stay on a phone call. how often i call my mother. as she struggles with breast cancer. who i call in the government. who's right itself and i happen to have. who i do not call at the office. they have a lot of my phone calls. i had a private telephone. we want to keep that somewhat between us, right? that metadata was compiled into complete information, can give you a very full picture of what my day is like, right? i say the fourth amendment does copper the protection of -- does cover the protection of my metadata. quick that was part of an event listed by the aspen institute looking at nsa surveillance. we will see more of that program with host jonathan frei and a political reporter. we will also take your comments and tweets. it all gets underway at 7:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span. while congress is recessed for the month of august, book tv will be in prime time, focusing tonight on festivals. a look at afric
metadata. metadata is not context, they say. well, you know what, metadata can give you a lot of context. how long i stay on a phone call. how often i call my mother. as she struggles with breast cancer. who i call in the government. who's right itself and i happen to have. who i do not call at the office. they have a lot of my phone calls. i had a private telephone. we want to keep that somewhat between us, right? that metadata was compiled into complete information, can give you a very full...
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there is the collection of metadata, and i am not a supporter of the collection of metadata in the way they are doing it right now. i would say that there are opportunities for use and there are units involved, and there will be abuses. i think that as you look at the bill of rights and the fourth amendment, it is very easy to think, well, they are violating the constitution. but these few look at the law which is maryland versus smith, 1979, a case that stated that it should be no expectation of privacy if there is a collection registry, essentially the numbers from the phone company. yet the constitution and then a law. i would feel much more thosetable and i think who have a libertarian streak would be more comfortable if we just had the phone companies hold the data for five years. the government pays double bed data. then we want going to the data, a fisa judge has to let s and. one person. i do not think we should lose the data. i agree with peter king completely. we have to have that data. but how cumbersome and while the process be? it needs to be quickly. we need a balance, an
there is the collection of metadata, and i am not a supporter of the collection of metadata in the way they are doing it right now. i would say that there are opportunities for use and there are units involved, and there will be abuses. i think that as you look at the bill of rights and the fourth amendment, it is very easy to think, well, they are violating the constitution. but these few look at the law which is maryland versus smith, 1979, a case that stated that it should be no expectation...
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if you look at that third criteria, i don't think the metadata program can survive in its current form. i've been urging the nsa for some time to restructure the program so the telephone companies hold on to their own data. there's no reason for the government to maintain all that. we can go to the phone companies when necessary. >>> joining me now, two men who know the region all too well. you're also at the dni, so you bring the intelligence angle, as well. so what's going on here? >> my guess is that there is credible information about plotting to carry out some kind of major attack in the middle east region. we don't know where. but it seems to me that that's what is indicated here and probably against some kind of american installation or american interests. >> or western we're told, as well. i'm assuming there is always somebody plotting something. >> but this has to be a little bit more specific. and you're trying to get everybody cooperating and running in the same direction. i closed down embassies and it was very difficult to convince the ambassadors to actually close it even
if you look at that third criteria, i don't think the metadata program can survive in its current form. i've been urging the nsa for some time to restructure the program so the telephone companies hold on to their own data. there's no reason for the government to maintain all that. we can go to the phone companies when necessary. >>> joining me now, two men who know the region all too well. you're also at the dni, so you bring the intelligence angle, as well. so what's going on here?...
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based upon that communication where you can like we do literally built our architecture to have no metadata there's nothing we know nothing about our customers other than new user name they chose the phone number we give them and the password to control it we don't have the critic or we have no idea who they are we can legally do that and we've demonstrated you can run a business with privacy as your product in mind you're right you said it's global of course you can't run away from this but mike what can people do use that peer to peer sharing i mean are you worried about the government coming down on you later on if you if you provide the proper architecture to really provide real privacy well fortunately we in the most of the western world live in a form of democracy so there are laws that they have to change in order to make us not do what we're doing but the story is lost it gets focused on the shiny toy of government when reality the biggest perv ayers of surveillance our credit card companies the big data companies the phone companies you want to talk about somebody who can affect yo
based upon that communication where you can like we do literally built our architecture to have no metadata there's nothing we know nothing about our customers other than new user name they chose the phone number we give them and the password to control it we don't have the critic or we have no idea who they are we can legally do that and we've demonstrated you can run a business with privacy as your product in mind you're right you said it's global of course you can't run away from this but...
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so if you're on a cell phone, the metadata doesn't include where you were. some other things included the fact that the way this works is you get a phone number from a suspected terrorist overseas, for example, then you go into the database to see what other numbers that person has called. but the document makes clear that the nsa is authorized under this law to go out what they call three hops. what that means is they can look at the phone numbers dialed by that phone number, then they can go out one ring and look at the numbers dialed by all those people. and then go out two more rings. so three hops in all that the law allows them to do. so those were some of the operational details that we got. >> the idea of the three-hop leeway, which is a strange phrase, i see what you mean. it does call into question how important it is that a specific number is at the center of that request. i mean, isn't the basic idea about warrantless searches that they have to -- there has to be some specific amount of relevance to an investigation. you can't just troll broadly
so if you're on a cell phone, the metadata doesn't include where you were. some other things included the fact that the way this works is you get a phone number from a suspected terrorist overseas, for example, then you go into the database to see what other numbers that person has called. but the document makes clear that the nsa is authorized under this law to go out what they call three hops. what that means is they can look at the phone numbers dialed by that phone number, then they can go...
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. >> me metadata has no expectatin of privacy. the intelligence community felt this was the lightest touch possible to try to find who in america might be the enemy inside the gate. >> under this doctrine, they certainly can collect your content just as they can collect your metadata. metadata can tell you a host of information about a person's life. >> that was former cia director general michael hayden and republican congressman justin amash. i sat down earlier with chris wallace to hear about his interviews. chris, a lot of attention today on the worldwide terror travel alert. also the embassies that are closed down. it's sparking the conversation again, though, about intelligence, how we gather it, use it, and what the role of the nsa is. you talked about that this morning. >> we had a fascinating conversation with general michael hayden, the former head of the national security agency, i'm sure the agency that picked up these electronic interprets with the al-qaeda threat in yemen, and congressman justin amash who proposed a
. >> me metadata has no expectatin of privacy. the intelligence community felt this was the lightest touch possible to try to find who in america might be the enemy inside the gate. >> under this doctrine, they certainly can collect your content just as they can collect your metadata. metadata can tell you a host of information about a person's life. >> that was former cia director general michael hayden and republican congressman justin amash. i sat down earlier with chris...
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if you look at that third criteria, i don't think the metadata program can survive in its current form. i've been urging the nsa for some time to restructure the program so the telephone companies hold on to their own kay at th data. there's no reason for the government to maintain all that. we can go to the phone companies when necessary. >> our industry security analyst peter bergen, who's written extensively about al qaeda, and fran town, a former homeland security adviser to president bush and also member of the cia external advisory board. thank you both for being here. let me just throw this out there for all of you. if you are an american traveling abroad and someone says to you, hey, there's a global terrorist alert here, be careful. i can just imagine sitting there in my hotel room in paris thinking, what am i supposed to do here? what are they supposed to do? what does that even mean? >> i think go ahead and take the trip. unless you're planning a vacation in afghanistan and you plan to check into a hotel right next to the u.s. embassy. exercising common sense is really what'
if you look at that third criteria, i don't think the metadata program can survive in its current form. i've been urging the nsa for some time to restructure the program so the telephone companies hold on to their own kay at th data. there's no reason for the government to maintain all that. we can go to the phone companies when necessary. >> our industry security analyst peter bergen, who's written extensively about al qaeda, and fran town, a former homeland security adviser to president...
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now, this issue of metadata and that we're violating the law is just not true. that's absurd. we have checks and balances -- >> but what edward snowden leaked is very different than what we're talking about here, tracking a terrorist. representative king? >> right. >> yes, i mean as far as, you know, this being announced by the government, no, there's -- it's absolutely crazy to say there's any conspiracy here. i mean, dutch has seen the intelligence. i've seen it. the government would have been totally negligent if it did not take the actions taken. whether there was any controversy over the nsa at all this would -- all these actions would have been taken. i'm a republican. i'm saying the administration -- i've had problems with the administration on different issues, well, what they are doing now is what has to be done. they'd be derelict if they were not and, you know, we can't criticize them for doing too little with benghazi and now not criticize them for doing too much. i'm giving them credit for what they've learned from benghazi and that's why they're firming up the em
now, this issue of metadata and that we're violating the law is just not true. that's absurd. we have checks and balances -- >> but what edward snowden leaked is very different than what we're talking about here, tracking a terrorist. representative king? >> right. >> yes, i mean as far as, you know, this being announced by the government, no, there's -- it's absolutely crazy to say there's any conspiracy here. i mean, dutch has seen the intelligence. i've seen it. the...